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Sunday, 8 January 2012

THE MCSTAY FAMILY - NEWS UPDATE 22ND FEBRUARY 2014

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Joseph McStay, 40; his wife, Summer, 43; and their two children, Gianni, 4, and Joseph, 3, have not been seen or heard from since February 4. Concerned relatives contacted authorities, who checked the family's home February 15, the sheriff's department said.

A vehicle belonging to the family was found abandoned near the Mexican border. The McStays' home is in Fallbrook, an unincorporated area about 45 miles north of San Diego.


Anyone with information on the whereabouts of the McStay family is urged to contact Sgt. Dave Martinez of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department at 858-565-5200. Anonymous calls can be made to 888-580-8477.



http://www.mcstayfamily.com/

Above is the website for this family.
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Please note that tarot will pick up TRENDS /VIBRATIONS of PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE - it will pick up anything that is 'out there'true news or false news - either way it can throw light on what is 'in the air' - please bear this in mind when you are reading the insights.


It is very important that 'readers' of the TAROT understand this, therefore one has to be very discerning when reading. Media news can put out stories that are not factual or are pre -mediated but Tarot can pick that up. It does,nt mean that tarot is wrong, it shows tarot can see what might be suggested. However when writing the tarot it may be taken as fact.

TAROT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS 100 PER CENT ACCURATE.

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THE MCSTAY FAMILY
« Thread Started on Mar 12, 2011, 2:17am »



I have been asked on the request section of this blogger to look at the situation of the Mcstay family who disappeared around February 4th 2010. This case is over a year old and there will be many reports on the internet about this families disappearance. I have not read all the information other than their car was abandoned and that relatives are looking for them. Tarot will try to bring forward glimpses of what MAY have happened but will show things past present and future which may echo some information already printed but may also give new information. Tarot is NOT 100 per cent accurate and therefore I would ask that you look for factual information to guide you.

There are some very large and good facial pictures that I have to meditate with and first I am going to see if tarot can produce information on Mother and Father to see what may transpire.


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The first card given to by tarot when meditating on Summer Mcstay is the Queen of Wands. This card is full of action and very go getting for want of a better word to describe it. When I think of this card I think of highlife, nightlife, entertainers, performers and showstopping events. The Queen is a number 13 and Number 13 will have a significance of some description and all I can do is leave that number here.

I am seeing a lot of things with my first card the Queen of wands who is linking to the King of Wands and the Emperor. This Queen represents performance artiste, showstopper, entertainment, lights, highlife, or a very exciting trip but there is a hidden cat there so Im wondering whether it was a secret or whether it is surrounded in secrets. The Queen is SOUTH in direction. This Queen sits next to the King who is entrepreneurial, a spokesman, a person who is active, and helps perpetuate the trip.


The Knight of Wands before the queen is planning this trip which appears to be to an exotic place and appears to be very exciting. There is a car here because the Knight is a travel card and one would assume that this lady and her family went off on a trip which does,nt appear to be a short trip as the Knight of wands can offer us motorcycle, car, bus or train. The Knight of wands could be traveler himself he is thought of as an 'outdoors man' or a 'traveller'. He is sometimes linked to agriculture.

I see business on the cards or having the wherewithal to plan this in a businesslike manner. There is something in the knight of wands to mention though and also the Queen of Wands and that is the possibility of infidelity or some kind of deceit at a push even jealousy though I cannot be sure why. The knight is telling us that there are dangerous liasons - very dynamic movement occurring here and because of the aries/fire on this card Im wondering why I see some form of anger here. It all seems so very brash as though it is a spur of the moment decision, just like that (I snap my fingers here) also seeing a change of residence and some important documents here. If we went back to the Page of Wands we could be linking to foreign flavours here or even country though I cannot be sure.

I hope this is not a deportation? I do not know for sure. What I see in that Page of Wands is someone shaking a big stick so its a sign that someone and it could even be someone in uniform or some kind of feeling of officialdom is somehow here in the background and it appears to me that there are very frenetic messages on this card.

So it sort of seems to me that some message came through that made this family very cross and they had to decide quickly what to do and were forced to take some very long trip. Now when I say messages that means a communication, it could be on paper as in a letter, or by phone or it could actually be someone standing there and they do have a STICK in their hands. Some might even feel it was a gun. However, that might be getting melodramatic Im not quite sure as yet. 


The colour of these cards are red so that does tell us that something was quick and it could be something that was making someone quite angry. It may just have been a choice of the family to just leave but it seems to me that it was forced in some way because of some situation as this is a quick departure and some big decisions that had to be made there and then.
There was stress and great difficulty from what I can see at first but there is a complete strong need for change here that had to be made though right now I dont know whose decision this was but I see this family at a crossroads.

The king of wands shows some kind of business contact perhaps there is money attached here and being weighted down with some kind of burden. There is air in this card so Im not sure if Air Travel MIGHT have something to do with things I cannot be sure as yet. But an important business contact is made and this trip appears to then be planned and executed very quickly . I seem to have some 'construction here' attached to this man. I dont know if he is an estate agent or someone who is actually a builder or just someone that deals with port folios it could really be any of these. The King of Wands also is sometimes known as the racing driver so you can tell that the whole action that has occurred was VERY VERY FAST.

If these people were just going on holiday I cannot see that there would be such a rush in these cards unless of course a wonderful trip was offered last minute. It could be more sinister then that though so I will continue to look at the tarot for more clues.

The Emperor on the cards linked to the Queen of wands is who bothers me most. The Emperor is the father or the Boss as a rule. They are the authority in matters so I am feeling that the pressure comes from them to do this and to take this trip. So Im wondering if it is down to the husband or someone else. The Emperor is offering us the number FOUR and we know that it was the FOURTH of February this family vanished so I think this does link in. The Emperor can be about the Government, Law and Order and Authority and overseeing rules and regulations. There may even be a political situation here possibly. So what I m feeling is that they could have run into some kind of trouble with the authority who have rules and regulations because we have to remember that important documents were mentioned.

The next card here would be the Heirophant who would be waving a Map and a Key and offering some good advice or counsel then we have the lovers card which is a card showing a family of three but generally a family. and then we have a car which they must have travelled in as in the Chariot but they might have come up against an army of authority for some reason.

This family on the Lovers card is linked to the number 6 which is WEST and it signifies the family home or somewhere they are familiar with that they would consider they come from. The Lovers always offers a choice, so Im wondering if authorities wanted to send them back home which made me think of deportation earlier in this reading or something of that nature? Im feeling there might have been a problem with the children for some reason but I am not sure why that is. I dont see seperation from the children exactly but only that there might be a problem here. Im getting a window with the number 5 also.

The Emperor can also show us some form of 'domination' so someones in control here and Im not sure if its this family but perhaps authority? Perhaps there is security AND protection here on this Emperor Im really not quite sure what Im supposed to pinpoint here but there might be some form of High Office. The cards at this stage do not seem hostile on the Emperor but I cant be sure. It could all be something simple to do with the father who made a decision to do something or to go somewhere and thats all there is to it but it could be either.

I am seeing a document that is half written, or there is something wrong with it. High Priestess gives us a B and a J for people or places but mostly shows us that perhaps a woman is with holding secrets so maybe there was something with Summer that was not publically known? or she might have been accused of keeping secrets. This document however is unsigned or unfinished so it must have some relevance. 

There is a triple moon on the High Priestess and that is never a good sign it can actually mean three people who pass away. It is not necessarily the case but I mention it all the same. I only saw a family of three on the Lovers card and if that is the case and there are two children. I notice two J names in the family one belonging to the father the other to one of the Sons. Might mean something ? However these documents appear to be part of 'disappearing' or the dissapearance?

I cannot guarantee exactly that tarot is correctly giving us details that are precise I just give what I have and hope that something can be made of it even if it turns out to be 'something like this' but not quite. The planning and construction is strong on one person likely a Male. Maybe the husband realised something? I do see a pregnancy issue in the cards.

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Right well this card is telling us about something quite difficult it turns all the cards that I have just read ON THEIR HEAD. There have been fights, quarrels, screaming matches, losing control you name it, this is not good - it is possible that is NOT with each other, that it COULD be with some kind of Boss or Authority of some kind. Problems over the car and frankly this family might be in trouble because the cards that I have given could mean that at least three of them could be connected to water.
But I dont know which three. If any of these two parents have a business or business associates, check the buildings just in case, check for messages, anything written down, any documents missing, any property documents ANYTHING. There is a problem trying to get a direction out of the Court cards. The Knight is facing South East however and Im wondering if it would be safe to suggest they are South East, though it could also be North East. with a connection to the West.

I will look at cards for the other family members. The Knight is a hot card, its a fire card - so we might be talking about somewhere hot that they may be. Red is Chillis they are hot so it could be Mexico because that was where the car was found. Reversing the Knight could make it possible for the Emperor attached to the queen to be very detached and break rules and regulations, it can also show signs of abuse so its not a good card. There seems to be some 'adoption' of some description but not sure what that is and the whole thing is starting to look very difficult to me. I feel travel has been stopped. Anywhere that might be linked to Entertainment or highlife or showstopping should be checked for the car found but this no doubt has been. Reversed knight also shows people who are untidy or someone who has a hot temper and trashes the home and the whole feeling is very brash behaviour, bad anger and total inconsiderate type of nature. Conflict quarrels and anything that pertains to this. It might show a person up to the age of 35 or under.

Money and business is in big trouble here and now Im wondering about construction sites or something under construction. Its very easy to become very dramatic over these cards and I dont particularly want to read them wrong but it can happen as tarot is not 100 per cent.

There is a possible 'religion' problem as Temperence shows up and shows that 'two sides of people' do not get on and Im seeing the word Michael but possible upside down. There is a faint thought that I am seeing Egypt because Michael upside down could form crudely Wickel - which means 'wraps' and makes me think of Mummys.
Again I may have all this totally wrong but we do have pyramids on the Page of Wands.

Im seeing 'get rich quick' schemes here and problems about money. I have a feeling that this could also represent when people strap drugs to their body and maybe this was thought to be the case. Perhaps this family were thought to have drugs especially with Temperence attached. Liquid you can cook would be crack or cocaine.

I am not sure of all this but Im simply making some kind of suggestion. Once again the Knight is facing South west but reversed could be South East.

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This family come up with the six of cups reversed on the FIND card. The Cups are West but again it is upside down I wonder about the East.its very difficult for me to decide on this one but cups are official WEST . The cups normally represent six days but Im not so sure of that as that would be under a week.

I keep wondering if the children have been seperated I cant make my mind on this, its a very complicated scene that I have. There may be something under a family home.
I seem to feel that something may occur in the future. Im seeing them appearing in the future somehow so I am sure they will be found or I would not get this card.
I am seeing some form of Bridge or Arch and maybe being beneath there. I am not sure how this case is going to turn out. It may be difficult all around. I feel there is something particular about one of the children. See water also. Maybe name of place with Water?

It may be that this family simply suffered travel complications.

I still have East and West on the family which makes me feel they could have been divided somehow? or between two places? November seems to be pointed out for some reason too, though the month is not always reliable. This card can threaten that these people might not be found when it is reversed though normally it suggests a period of SIX , six days, or a distance marker something like that . I feel somehow that there is some sorrow attached here. I am going to think optimistically and say that this family will be found although I think it is thought they wont be perhaps that is what tarot tells me. There may be something about them in some way soon. Temperence might have been hinting at 14 months but I think the time zone is very tricky with this sitting and I cannot be sure why that is.

I may look at other members of this family but for the moment I need to take a session break. I cannot gurantee what I have seen is correct and if I have these details or any of them wrong I will apologise in advance though remind you that tarot is not 100 per cent therefore I have to allow the misinterpretation of certain aspects as they may not ALL APPLY. As we have Under six of cups we may look at the numer FIVE as a useful FIND marker.

This is a very complicated case and I may have to come back and review parts of this tarot and look for further detail and also as before mentioned, look at the husbands tarot.


Empathy.





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THE MCSTAY FAMILY
UPDATED TAROT JUNE 19TH 2012



I have been asked many times regarding an update on the Mcstay Family. As always I feel that original Tarot offers the best advise whether wrong or right it always seems that something comes up in relation to it one way or the other.
I always try to please however, but even so when asking this very same question I am once again given a cups card.

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Here for example, I have been offered the four and this card is considered to be West whether in name or place. On this card I see a 'big white elephant' but you cant see it, only me. It reminds me of that saying that there is a 'white elephant in the room' suggesting some kind of falsity about something.

However, here we see a tree on this card and it makes you wonder if a Tree name comes up or not also there are connections to 'water' in respect of fountains and the initials M or W comes up here. There is also some kind of bridge or white bridge but it could be talking about a structure . Most certainly we would imagine that as this card sits next to a big river with a building near to it it could be describing location but it is also a card of emotional turmoil. Perhaps even someone could not forgive another? There are many aspects that come up with just one card but it also shows people who cant live with each other but cannot live without each other either.

But let me just look further. A feeling here is that someone is bored or apathetic sees and grasps new opportunites but I have North, so perhaps it is North West we are thinking about here.

This card gives me 'under' or under somewhere and descriptive elements such as the sea, rivers and places near ponds or waters - brooks, springs, wells, wash-houses, sea shores, marshy land, coming up for description whether in actuality or names of places. In houses it represents cellars, cisterns, bathrooms and places near water. No man is an island seems to come to mind here. Also we should take into account the number 4. As this card represents 'foundations' we should bear in mind that cellars can come up here or basements.

Im also getting the sensation of a 'weak stomach'.
I am sensing a partnership or marriage maybe in trouble or that there were 'nitty gritty' elements in a relationship. There seems to be a lot of disatisfaction or discontentment and this can apply to a creative project so obviously there must be problems somewhere. I see slander and gossip from friends or people around that may have affected things. However, new beginnings and fresh start could also come up here and a desire to move away from negative thoughts problems and situations.

Of course it is difficult for me to name a place but this is the update that I have and I will leave it here. It is best to read and combine the Tarot elements but this four has not moved much from the six that is already posted. Tarot can still represent past present and future even on an update.

Empathy.



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NEWS UPDATE MAY 3RD, 2012.


Search Continues for Missing Fallbrook Family
A family member of the McStays is still searching for evidence to find them


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/Search-Continues-f...


It's been two years since a Fallbrook family of four went missing and one of their relatives is still looking for clues in their disappearance.

In February 2010, Joseph McStay, his wife Summer and two sons suddenly vanished from their home in Fallbrook, leaving virtually no clues as to what happened to them.


Investigators did get one clue from Joseph's cellphone. At about 8:30, an hour after the family left the home, a call went through a cell tower in the Bonsall area. According the show "E! Investigates," the call appears to have been made near the old Bonsall Bridge.

In an exclusive interview with NBC 7, Joseph’s brother, Mike McStay, said he has been desperately searching from day one and that it has become an obsession.




UPDATED NEWS FROM AUGUST 2012 POSTED 11 SEPTEMBER 2012



News | The McStay Family

www.mcstayfamily.org/new
5 Aug 2012 – There has been a lot of murmur and stirring on another website that the McStay Family has been found in New Mexico. This information has not ...


Not sure when the report was posted below but its interesting!

New cell tower info indicates that the missing McStay family was in ...

ir3.org/new-cell-tower-info-shows-the-missing-mcstay-family-was-in...
Reward for info leading to the return of the McStay family. New information traces the family's last movements to a small radius west of Fallbrook. (EN ESPANOL)


UPDATED 12TH SEPTEMBER 2012



STICHOMANCY - 3000 YEAR OLD DIVINATION METHODS.

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Stichomancy offers this extract regarding the disappearance of the McStay family.

Moon-Face and Other Stories by Jack London:
in, always, and you were there always--how much, you will never know.
"But as time went by, Aunt Mildred and Uncle grew to dislike you. They grew afraid. What was to become of me? You were destroying my life. My music? You know how my dream of it has dimmed away. That spring, when I first met you--I was twenty, and I was about to start for Germany. I was going to study hard. That was four years ago, and I am still here in California.
"I had other lovers. You drove them away--No! no! I don't mean that. It was I that drove them away. What did I care for lovers, for anything, when you were near? But as I said, Aunt Mildred and Uncle grew afraid. There has been talk‹friends, busybodies, and all the rest. The time went by. You did not speak. I could only wonder, wonder. I knew you loved me. Much was said against

Stichomancy offers this extract regarding finding the Mcstay family.

Oedipus Trilogy by Sophocles:
OEDIPUS Aye, take him quickly, for his presence irks And lets me; gone, thou canst not plague me more.
TEIRESIAS I go, but first will tell thee why I came. Thy frown I dread not, for thou canst not harm me. Hear then: this man whom thou hast sought to arrest With threats and warrants this long while, the wretch Who murdered Laius--that man is here. He passes for an alien in the land But soon shall prove a Theban, native born. 





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 NOTE UPDATE: 13TH OCTOBER 2012



No Update at the current time but here is the family website.


The Joseph Mcstay Family Website - Help bring home Joseph ...

www.mcstayfamily.org/
Help bring home the Joseph Mcstay Family; Joseph, Summer, Gianni, and Joseph Jr. They've been missing since February 4th, 2010.

UPDATED 21 OCTOBER 2012

THIS MIGHT BE A RUMOUR! NOTHING CONFIRMED TO DATE - YET.


News | The McStay Family

www.mcstayfamily.org/new
5 Aug 2012 – There has been a lot of murmur and stirring on another website that the McStay Family has been found in New Mexico. This information has not ...

 UPDATED 1ST NOVEMBER 2012


There was another possible sighting in the small mountain town of Elijay, GA. We received word of it via private message here on this page and it has been passed on to the Missing Children Adults page and the proper authorities. Unfortunately by the time the tip was reported some time (a week or 2) had passed making it hard for any followup, however, this brings us to a total of 5 possible sightings in the eastern US from NJ to FL within the past couple of months. Please keep your eyes open no matter where you live and if you think you see the family PLEASE CALL 911 IMMEDIATELY... 

UPDATED 19TH NOVEMBER 2012

http://www.dailynewsupdate.org/post/mcstay-family-update-2012.html

UPDATED 9TH FEBRUARY 2013

 New theory about what happened to the McStay family
KFMB News 8 ‎- 4 days ago
It's been three years since a Fallbrook family disappeared without a ... Joseph McStay, his wife Summer and their two sons have been missing ...
  1. U-T San Diego‎ - 6 days ago

Book to Tell McStay Family's Story | NBC 7 San Diego

www.nbcsandiego.com › newslocal
Jan 16, 2013 – The mystery of an entire Fallbrook family that appears to have vanished is the subject of a new book.


NO GOOD-BYES: The Mysterious Disappearance of the McStay ...

www.rickgbaker.blogspot.com/
1 day ago – A blog about the missing Joseph McStay, Summer McStay, Gianni McStay and Joseph ... This is a testament to the McStay family, not me

UPDATED 19TH MARCH 2013

No real news but uploading other stories that have been printed.

  

McStay Family Of 4 Has Been Missing For 3 Years (PHOTOS)

www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/.../mcstay-family-missing-three-years...
Jan 28, 2013 – On Feb. 4, it will be three years since the entire McStay family went missing. Authorities have received hundreds of tips on the whereabouts of ...

10News - Shocking theory about McStay family disappearance ...

www.10news.com/.../shocking-theory-about-mcstay-family-disappea...
Shocking theory about McStay family disappearance revealed in new book ... Regular Photo Size. Posted: 01/16/2013. Last Updated: 43 days ago. Allison Ash ...

UPDATED 15TH MAY 2013 
LATEST NEWS REPORTS

Investigators Say Missing McStay Family Fled US Voluntarily

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../investigators-say-missing_n_3047938.html
Apr 9, 2013 – SAN DIEGO -- Investigators said Tuesday they believe a couple that abruptly disappeared with their two young boys left for Mexico voluntarily, ...

New Development in Search for Missing McStay Family | KTLA 5

ktla.com/2013/.../new-developments-in-search-for-missing-mcstay-famil...
Apr 9, 2013 – FALLBROOK, Calif. -- The FBI is taking over the search for a Southern California family that has been missing for 3 years, officials say. Joseph ...

FBI takes over search for missing McStay family | HLNtv.com

www.hlntv.com/article/.../fbi-takes-over-search-missing-mcstay-family
Apr 10, 2013 – Authorities announced Tuesday that the FBI has taken over the case of a California family missing for more than three years. Joseph McStay ...



 UPDATED 21 JUNE 2013


FACEBOOK PAGE AND OTHER NEWS ON LINK BELOW

Patrick McStay: Debbie Erp Must Be Stopped - NO GOODBYES: The ...

rickgbaker.blogspot.com/2013/.../patrick-mcstay-debbie-erp-must-be.ht...
Apr 13, 2013 – Patrick McStay ... (posted by Patrick McStay on his FB page HERE) ..... So many of us on the Facebook groups and elsewhere have been ...


Get Your Questions in By 6:00pm (CST) Tonight!
"Patrick appreciates Rick allowing him to reach out to the public through this forum. As he is extremely busy he will take questions up to 6pm Central Time today then take a break. If Rick kindly agrees, he'd be happy to do this again in the near future. Thank you for your questions and for supporting Patrick in his quest for the truth!" Farrah 


From Patrick McStay: "If anyone (Including Susan and Michael) has information that disputes (with proof) any of my evidence or information, they are free to come on my Facebook group or Rick's blog and post their information or evidence in dispute. If they have information that is critical to the case, then tell the public, be truthful and let the public decide. After three years it's time the public be told the truth and given the facts! I have no problem with anyone who has factual and accurate proof of other information in my Families case."

Join Patrick's Facebook Page. Click Here


Get Your Questions in By 6:00pm (CST) Tonight!
"Patrick appreciates Rick allowing him to reach out to the public through this forum. As he is extremely busy he will take questions up to 6pm Central Time today then take a break. If Rick kindly agrees, he'd be happy to do this again in the near future. Thank you for your questions and for supporting Patrick in his quest for the truth!" Farrah 


From Patrick McStay: "If anyone (Including Susan and Michael) has information that disputes (with proof) any of my evidence or information, they are free to come on my Facebook group or Rick's blog and post their information or evidence in dispute. If they have information that is critical to the case, then tell the public, be truthful and let the public decide. After three years it's time the public be told the truth and given the facts! I have no problem with anyone who has factual and accurate proof of other information in my Families case."

Join Patrick's Facebook Page. Click Here

Get Your Questions in By 6:00pm (CST) Tonight!
"Patrick appreciates Rick allowing him to reach out to the public through this forum. As he is extremely busy he will take questions up to 6pm Central Time today then take a break. If Rick kindly agrees, he'd be happy to do this again in the near future. Thank you for your questions and for supporting Patrick in his quest for the truth!" Farrah 


From Patrick McStay: "If anyone (Including Susan and Michael) has information that disputes (with proof) any of my evidence or information, they are free to come on my Facebook group or Rick's blog and post their information or evidence in dispute. If they have information that is critical to the case, then tell the public, be truthful and let the public decide. After three years it's time the public be told the truth and given the facts! I have no problem with anyone who has factual and accurate proof of other information in my Families case."

Join Patrick's Facebook Page. Click Here

 UPDATED NEWS 19TH OCTOBER 2013

Thought this was an interesting link!


Disappeared: the McStay family, missing 3 years, and my review of ...

seanmunger.com/.../disappeared-the-mcstay-family-missing-3-years-and-...
29 Aug 2013 - Millions of people across America and the world have heard of the McStay family--so many, in fact, that I scarcely need to recap the facts here.


 UPDATED 15TH NOVEMBER 2013

 The Mcstay family have been found. They are deceased and were found in the Mojave Desert not far off Victorville though the precise location has not been divulged as yet. There are many things that are currently not known and we need time to be able to see the ins and outs of Tarots thoughts.   M is the correct initial of where (Mojave) the bodes were found and they were buried.  (Foundation - under). Route 4 and 15 run along the area the family is likely to have been found.  There is a very strong connection to Water in the Tarot which is likely Fallbrook and hot place - the Desert which would likely have been clearer had I put in the place references on the first three cards.  However 2011 was the time of reading and at that time I was not doing the maps that I do today which might have been very useful. Tarot tried to give us Egypt for the sand as a way of explaining. We shall have to see how this case unfolds, I see Tarot picked up the Motorcycle and apparently a guy found two of the bodies and he was on a motorcycle so time will tell and will come back to update. Strangely, I only saw three people pass away which as we are being told, there were four.

Bodies found - San Diego, California ...
KFMB News 8-11 hours ago
SAN DIEGO (CNS/CBS 8) - The remains of two of four bodies buried in ... The McStay family mysteriously vanished in February 2010, leaving ...




SAN DIEGO (CBS 8) - The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department has confirmed that the human remains found in the desert are that of Joseph and Summer McStay. They believe the other remains discovered are that of the couple's two sons - Gianni and Joseph Junior. However, DNA testing will be conducted to positively identify the children.
The manner of death has been determined to be homicide, however the investigation is still ongoing. No suspects have been identified.
This is the latest information. The previous story is below.
SAN DIEGO (CNS/CBS 8) - The remains of two of four bodies buried in the desert near Victorville have been identified as missing husband and wife Joseph and Summer McStay but it remained unclear Friday if the other bodies were that of their two young sons.
The McStays and their boys, Gianni and Joseph Jr., went missing from their home in Fallbrook in February 2010. The family's 1996 Isuzu Trooper was found abandoned four days later in San Ysidro, near the U.S.-Mexico border.
CBS News 8 confirmed Friday with a family member of the McStays that two bodies found in a remote area are those of Joseph and Summer McStay.
CBS News 8 spoke with Patrick McStay, Joseph McStay's father, who never stopped looking for his son and says he was hoping for some better news.
"Somebody harmed him and for no real good reason," he said.
Patrick McStay confirmed the family has been contacted by law enforcement from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department and told four humans were discovered in two shallow graves, two of those bodies are that of Joseph and Summer McStay. He says at this point the other two bodies are being identified and don't know if they are the bodies of the children.
Patrick McStay says for four years this has been a huge struggle for the family and says he knows his son would have tried to make contact after all these years to let them know he's okay.
"He would not have left or done anything without calling me or his mother," he said. "And for almost four years now, he would have picked up that phone or gotten word to one of us that they were out there and okay."
The McStay family mysteriously vanished in February 2010, leaving their dogs abandoned and food on the counter. The San Diego Sheriff's Department ruled in 2012 that the McStays voluntarily went to Mexico on their own.
Deputies and coroner's investigators were digging through two shallow graves in the Mojave Desert for three days after the bodies were discovered. It all began when an off-road motorcyclist reported near Interstate 15 found bones that turned out to be human, San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department said in a statement.
Sheriff's homicide detectives and coroner's officials on Wednesday wrapped up the excavation in barren scrubland on the outskirts of Victorville.
Victorville is in the high desert about 60 miles northeast of Los Angeles. No homes or businesses are near the gravesite.
"There were two graves where remains were located as well as additional skeletal remains ... near the graves," the statement said.
A third site that appeared to show some disturbed ground was also dug up but investigators determined it was unrelated to the gravesites.
Authorities went to the site near the Interstate 15 freeway on Monday after an off-road motorcyclist reported finding bones that coroner's investigators later confirmed were human

Los Angeles Times ‎- 3 hours ago
Two sets of skeletal remains found in Victorville this week have been identified as members of the missing McStay family, who mysteriously ..
 Investigators found out that the family's SUV had been towed from the parking lot of a strip mall in San Ysidro, an hour's drive from the McStay's Fallbrook home and a short walk from a pedestrian crossing into Mexico.

UPDATED NEWS:

 Tarot mentioned WELLS in my last read. I have been wondering about the water elements I had. I thought perhaps Tarot was referring to Fallbrook very possible - but I notice in my last read 4 cups I have descriptions of WELLS this link confirms this....

The bones were found on Monday morning between Quarry and Stoddard WELLS roads, just north of Victorville.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-....#ixzz 2klu5z0xU




UPDATED NEWS 17TH NOVEMBER



The McStay family - whose bodies were found in a shallow grave in the Californian desert almost four years after they mysteriously vanished - could barely afford to pay $210 a week on rent just months before they disappeared with $100,000 in the bank, it was claimed today.
Joseph and Summer McStay were also apparently being chased by debt collection agents, the IRS and lawyers representing business clients they owed money to.

Despite their apparent financial difficulties, they managed to find the cash to buy a $320,000 house around two months before they vanished on February 4 2010. They also had $100,000 in the bank when they vanished which remained untouched.


NEWS UPDATE 20TH NOVEMBER 2013

EXCLUSIVE: 'Suspect' in murdered McStay family mystery ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../EXCLUSIVE-Suspect-murdered-McStay-family...
1 hour ago - When the McStay's car was found in San Ysidro on the Mexican border four days after they were last seen and security footage of a family of ...

NEWS UPDATE 21ST NOVEMBER 2013


Crosses Erected for McStays at Site Where Remains Were Found




KTLA-10 hours ago
A small public memorial was held Wednesday afternoon in honor of the McStay family, a couple and their two young sons whose bodies were ..

UPDATED NEWS 23RD NOVEMBER 2013



Mystery 'digger' track marks found at McStay family grave site | Mail ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Mystery-digger-track-marks-McStay-family-grave...
2 days ago - Two sets of tell-tale track marks have been found leading directly up to where the remains of Joseph, Summer and their boys Gianni and Joey ... bobcat digger mentioned.


 NEWS UPDATE 22ND DECEMBER  2013

McStay murder mystery: Who is Vick Johansen?

KFMB-18 Dec 2013
Email records obtained by McStay family members indicate that Summer met Joseph McStay and became pregnant with their first son, Gianni, ..

(The above is interesting because there is a neighbours story about someone who was shaking a pipe and shouting he was a marine - he was also involved with Summer and wrote messages to her before they disappeared so please read the above link.  - TAROT can pick up all kinds of nuances and news but this story has only just been printed)!

McStay Family Memorial Set For Jaunary 4

KTLA-20 Dec 2013
There will be a beach ceremony to release four leis symbolizing each of the McStay family members Joseph, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr ...
McStay murder mystery: Who is Dan Kavanaugh?
KFMB-20 Dec 2013



 UPDATED 2ND JANUARY 2014


Police are investigating whether killers 'with local knowledge' used a digger to bury the four bodies of the McStay family in desert graves, MailOnline can reveal today.
Two sets of tell-tale track marks – believed to have been made by a small earth moving vehicle - have been found leading directly up to the spot where the remains of Joseph, Summer and their boys Gianni and Joey Jr were discovered last Friday nearly four years after they vanished.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511190/Mystery-digger-track-marks-McStay-family-grave-site.html#ixzz2pFgmlyXA
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 UPDATED NEWS OF THIS MONTH POSTED 21 JAN 2014



EXCLUSIVE: McStay family husband feared his wife was... - Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../EXCLUSIVE-McStay-family-husband-feared-w...
4 Jan 2014 - Joseph, 40, from Fallbrook, California, was suffering from a mystery illness in the months before he went missing with Summer and their two ...

McStay family mystery: Friends and family gather for memorial ...

www.latimes.com/.../la-me-ln-mcstay-family-memorial-201401...
4 Jan 2014 - At a small memorial service in Orange County on Saturday, loved ones remembered a family that disappeared four years ago and was recently ...

CHP releases portion of 911 call in McStay murders - KFMB Channel 8

www.cbs8.com/.../portion-of-911-call-in-mcstay-murders-released-to-cb...
6 Jan 2014 - (CBS 8) -- For the first time, we are hearing audio of the 911 call that led to the discovery of four graves and the remains of the McStay family ...

Paddle-Out Memorial Held for McStay Family | NBC 7 San Diego

www.nbcsandiego.com › newslocal
7 Jan 2014 - A public paddle-out memorial and church service were held Saturday in Southern California for San Diego's slain McStay family. Loved ones ...
 15TH FEBRUARY 2014

Family of McStays still waiting for answers | UTSanDiego.com

www.utsandiego.com/.../mcstay-family-fallbrook-sheriff-investigation/
1 Feb 2014 - For four years, relatives of the McStay family have waited. Page 1 of 2.

22ND FEBRUARY 2014

 

4 Years Later, Mystery Still Shrouds McStay Family | NBC 7 San Diego

www.nbcsandiego.com › newslocal
4 Feb 2014 - 4, 2014, marked exactly four years since San Diego's McStay family vanished without a trace, leaving few clues behind in a case that has ...



AUTHENTICITY OF DATES/TIMING OF READING.

Every now and then I put up the original reading of the Tarot! There are two pages including the update on the 2nd page.

CLICK LINK - ORIGINAL BLUEPRINT OF MCSTAY FAMILY READING

36 comments:

  1. I watched the family of these beautiful people on tv when they went missing. I do want to point out that summer's birth name isn't actually summer. She changed her name. I also think one of them had forgotten a birth certificate in their home or they forgot their passports. Il look back online and see if I can find it. Prayers for this gorgeous family. Ashley

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  2. Empathy,
    Thankyou for all your wonderful readings, time and effort. Could you please update this case when you have time?
    Many thanks x

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  3. Empatthy,thank you I do understand the tarot myself and how difficult it is to read and u must trust your intuitive instincts with it for directives to the answers you seek .no pressure from anyone .must do it wen you are relaxed and open meditative empty state so you can eleminate from the difrent meanings the cards represent.n hav feelings from the ones that pertain to be or feel real.that you get a sense of feeling from.n thank you for your readinmg as you helped varify a lot of my own feelings on this situation.m is michael w is m upside down or war.within the family their is extended family involvement in this case from joeys father n brother michael with the buisiness dealings.I hav had a lot of traumatic events in my own personal life at this time.therefor do not feel I could get an accurate reading without my own issues getting minmgled in the mix of things therefor was nice to go opver yours with you today.thank you. Sunshine

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  4. I think the "sightings" into Mexico are what have led people in the wrong direction. I don't agree with the many assumptions about this family, but, then, that's just me. In spite of what I feel and see, I hope I'm wrong and the family are found, healthy and alive.

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  5. I have very strong feelings that Michael McStay is involved or has more knowledge of this family’s disappearance than he is letting on. I believe a bad business deal is the basis for the disappearance. I get the gut feeling that the family is not alive.

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    1. I think you're so right on. As now we know they're dead. I also suspect Mike Mcstay.

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    2. As do I, but the original reading gives hints to others involved. "I seem to have some 'construction here' attached to this man. I dont know if he is an estate agent or someone who is actually a builder or just someone that deals with port folios it could really be any of these." This fits the business partner, who built the fountains. "Reversed knight also shows people who are untidy or someone who has a hot temper and trashes the home and the whole feeling is very brash behaviour, bad anger and total inconsiderate type of nature. Conflict quarrels and anything that pertains to this. It might show a person up to the age of 35 or under." This fits the guy who ran the business website, who has temper issues. The woman holding secrets mentioned fits his mom and the "Wickel" and "can't live with each other but can't live without each other" likely mean his brother. Just feel that all four were involved at some point, and while the business partner's finances went south after all this, Joseph's last calls/texts were all to him and the bodies were buried very close to an area near where he lived before. Very hard to ignore.

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  6. When I first heard about this missing family I started thinking about the story of Cain and Able and I haven't been able to shake it after months, years now, of wondering what could have happened to these people. It's such a horribly intrusive thought and story, "Am I my brother's keeper?". Can anyone tell me what it means and why I've connected it to this missing case. It's very strange to me. I can never imagine this family as safe somewhere.

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  7. i believe the family is still alive although i to get the feeling something went wrong with a business deal that forced the family to flee,but part of me wonders if they still alive why dont they make a connection with their family as im sure were they alive they would be aware of the family"s struggle to find them,and would want to put their family at ease.i pray the mcstay family is found or atleast closure is given to everyone affected by their dissapearence. god bless

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  8. I'm from Costa Rica and I have spoken with family menbers Mcstay because at some point it could be said that in my country, and after talking with them, I have no doubt, as I offered my help to try to find them with the help of television, newspapers, police and others, since the family informed me that many of his friends live here and that at some point Joseph jubilarce speak of in this country, and my question arose when I offered all this I contacted support them anymore, as they were not interested in the idea, I think if they are alive, hidden somewhere, some fled, family problem and knows. Sorry for my English, it is translated by google.

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  9. maybe some illegal aliens came across the their house and took them kind of hostage like? maybe raped and killed them! alot of illegals sneek through that area!! i pray that i,m wrong..

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  10. I noticed from your readings you kept coming up with under something to do with water...I think it might have been the name of the city where the family was from...Fallbrook...Just throwing the suggestion out there

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  11. When you go from San Diego to Tijuana, often people park their cars on the US side of the border, and walk across a huge bridge. Once you are on the other side, you have to go through a bunch of iron gates and revolving doors that only go one way. You walk through some casual border stations, and then you are in a seedy border town, in Mexico. The area there is set up for tourists, with pharmacies, cheap booze, trinkets, etc.

    Tijuana used to be a place where Southern Californians went for controlled substances, cheap booze and vice. But it has gotten so dangerous, that they have stopped going.

    To get back into the states, you have to go through an immigration checkpoint. It is usually simple, but it is unpleasant.

    A lot of what you are seeing, I reckon, is what you would see, if you crossed the border.

    Tijuana is a day trip from Fallbrook. Unlikely that they would be going there, to do anything particularly exotic, or to flee.

    Unfortunately, Tijuana is one of those places most people avoid, because you can quickly be in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

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    1. Thank you for both of your comments and your information. I really hope that I have not expressed anything wrongly about this couple but I do find your information on Tijuana very interesting not knowing anything about the area. Very informative.

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    2. All of your information about "water" and "underneath" could be related to the "Bansall" bridge, which is where the cell phones pinged off of a tower. It is a bridge in a remote area, surrounded by lots of overgrowth. I don't think it has been thoroughly searched for the cellphone(s).

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  12. What you are describing, is also your typical brash ... sloppy, aggressive ... white, southern California couple, from Riverside county. If there is drama about previous lovers, flirtations on the side, affairs ... it is because that is how people behave. I regret speaking in stereotypes here. But the culture here is, what it is. I think that you are seeing a couple of old-school partiers, who wanted to bring their kids to Mexico for a fun day, who had a moment of poor judgment.

    I am not sure what happened to these people. But honestly it sounds like somebody was in the wrong place, in the wrong time.

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  13. I looked over some of the information on this case. I feel very touched by their story.

    What is compelling ... is that it they seem like such "normal" people, struggling to stretch every dollar to make the best life possible for themselves and their children. It is entirely possible, that somebody might have wanted to rob them, thinking that they had a lot of cash. And they were home and the kids were home ...

    It has been argued that it is possible that they never even got near Tijuana. Anybody can drive somebody else's car, and leave it at a shopping center, in San Ysidro.

    Your insights about some kind of business deal (or social arrangement, or meeting) going sour, and a sudden removal from the premises, involving a weapon and a threatened separation from the children, might be a clue.

    They had a couple of dogs in the back yard ... I could see leaving them with just enough food and water for a day trip to Tijuana, but nobody in their right mind would leave their pets without arrangements for feeding, for more than a day.

    They should look for them in the wooded areas around Fallbrook and Bonsall, in my opinion. This is pure speculation on my part.

    If not, they should look more closely, at who they might have been meeting, on the Mexican side of the border, and what their relationship could have been.

    I am very saddened that this happened. This family will be in my prayers and in my thoughts.

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    1. I am not sure about the typical family here. She was a stay at home mom with two kids and he was a business owner. They just moved from a very small apt to a upper class neighborhood and they had one hundred thousand dollars in their bank account when they went missing. It is well documented a couple of years before this man with struggling financially. After buying a new home with two very young kids and a stay at home wife this is alot of cash to have in the bank. It is mentioned in news articles but no body is talking about it.

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    2. maybe aliens took the family thats why they are not found

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  14. Susan Blake writes her son Joseph all the time. "I send him e-mails," she says, "keeping him updated on what's going on."

    Each e-mail goes unanswered. All she can do is hope that he sees them.

    It's how she copes with one of the most unsettling and baffling missing persons cases in recent years: the mystery of the McStay family.

    Next week marks the third anniversary of the disappearance of Joseph McStay, 43; his wife, Summer, 46; and their two young children, Gianni, 7, and Joseph Mateo, who would be 6 this month.
    2010: No trace of missing family
    2011: The missing McStay family case

    February 4, 2010 was the last day anyone saw the family or heard from them. When police entered their Southern California house more than 10 days later, they found eggs on the kitchen counter and bowls of popcorn in the living room. Their two dogs were also in the home. But not a single trace of the McStays.

    2010: California police search for missing family

    Did they voluntarily leave? Are they in Mexico? Are they in danger? Are they dead?

    Despite hundreds of tips and several high-profile television reports and interviews, no one has a clue.

    "This is definitely an unusual case," says Lt. Glenn Giannantonio of the San Diego Sheriff's Department's homicide division "At this point we are no closer to finding them than on the day they disappeared. I know that sounds horrible, but we just don't know what happened to them."

    The sentiment is shared by Dennis Brugos, who led the sheriff's department investigation into the McStays' disappearance before retiring last year. "Nothing makes any kind of rational sense that you can put together," Brugos says.

    The McStays lived on a cul-de-sac in Fallbrook. Described on its website as the "friendly village," Fallbrook is about 18 miles from the Pacific Coast and some 50 miles north of San Diego.

    Joseph McStay owned Earth Inspired Products, a company that built custom water features for high-end commercial businesses around the world, says Mike McStay, his younger brother. Summer stayed home to raise the children, but according to Mike was planning on getting back to work.Three years later, no sign of missing family
    By Gabriel Falcon, CNN
    updated 10:12 AM EST, Sat January 26, 2013

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  15. It has been 3 years now that they have been missing?

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    1. Hi, I am no psychic but have been closely following the case and today, I watched it on TV for the first time in South Africa on Discovery ID channel.
      One of the child (Joseph) would bring them back together as I sense they are apart from each other and either his health or love for him with re-union the parents and their nuclear family. Then, it will certainly unite the joint family. I sense the bridge as well which shares the thoughts of the re-union.

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  16. Plans are being made for the McStay family to be featured on 48 Hours. They are in contact with several family members including both Patrick McStay and Mike McStay and it is shaping up to be one of the best investigative shows to have worked with so far. Please pray that the production continues and that this will bring new attention and leads to this case. This family needs closure...3 years is too long for an entire family to be missing without a trace.

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  17. I have a strong feeling that Summer has a long history of ripping people off and someone finally came after her for revenge. That is why she continually changed her name and didn't want her pictures on facebook. She was afraid of someone recognizing her. If you look at Joseph McStay's facebook page, there are no pictures of her, even in the album titled "Wedding."

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  18. Posted: Apr 09, 2013 10:30 AM PDT Updated: Apr 09, 2013 7:44 PM PDT SAN DIEGO (AP) — Investigators said Tuesday they believe a couple that abruptly disappeared with their two young boys left for Mexico voluntarily, a statement that closes a chapter on an exhaustive search that began more than three years ago.

    The search for Joseph and Summer McStay and their sons started in February 2010 when authorities found rotten eggs on the kitchen counter of the family's suburban home and two dogs in the backyard.

    Neither Joseph, then 40, nor Summer, 43, told family or friends they were leaving, and the San Diego County Sheriff's Department responded with what it calls their most extensive missing persons search ever.

    Investigators say they are convinced that four people seen on a dimly lit surveillance video walking into Tijuana, Mexico — four days after the disappearance — are the McStays. They had long maintained that possibility but avoided such a definitive statement.http://www.cbs8.com/story/21921195/local-authorities-believe-mcstay-family-is-in-mexico

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  19. I have said witness protection from day one. Your readings have confirmed this. Thank you.

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    1. Never found? Beautiful family of FOUR? We don't know their COMPLETE personal lives? They must be somewhere, I think of them often...Blessings to friends and family

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    2. ...and I understand about the dogs. My friend loves her dog more than anything, but if she had to leave him to protect her children...she would
      Pray they are safe and happy

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  20. I was amazed at the accuracy of your mc stay reading. As you pointed out...November and the number 13...the precise date that their bodies were found...by the motorcycle that you saw...so sad., on

    Jenni Pederson

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  21. this is so sad, the poor family and all they went through being told these people had just run away.

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  22. I used to do tarot, so I understand that there are many variables. They just get too confusing for me to make out until after the fact. I don't even bother anymore. I think your reading with you tarot was pretty accurate with the bridge, the north east but with west ties, etc. Maybe the water thing aside from the Wells is maybe where a murder weapon could be found? What's really puzzling to me is the little info I find online about Joseph's ex-wife and their son. We see Joseph's parents and brother making statements. We see Summer's mother and sister making statements as well. Also, in Summer's case, I suppose with all the aliases, she drew suspicion and speculation. I don't think that is such a big deal as people made it out to be. My mother has 3 names. That is because she changed her name the first time when she got naturalized. She didn't want a foreign sounding name. Somehow it got changed again due to a glitch in our beloved government system. Anyway, I am just wondering why Joseph's ex-wife and son aren't commenting more on this case. I've been searching all over the internet for any info or press conference info on them and I can't find a thing. I only found out that Joseph's eldest son is named Jonah. Also, what about Summer's estranged father? She got so pissed off at Joseph for wanting to find him? Why? Was he that bad? She mentioned in her email that her mother didn't want him found either. Is that why she had so many different names? Empathy, can you ask some of these questions?

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  23. Empathy i re read your post dor the McStay family, Bless their souls, and am so astounded at how you picked up so many aspects of what has transpired. The motorbike, the race car driver something very fast which was most likely their deaths, the number three where three were shot in front of Joseph McStay, WELLS Road, Egypt symbol of sand and hence Mojave Desert, November which they were found in November, construction comments and how this person is in construction, weighing down with some kind of burden,The knight telling of dangerous liasions, an important business contact ,how tarot says its more sinister than thought so, some important documents were raised also. woman holding secret is Susan who knows what happened but never expected this outcome thus emailing them all the time waiting for them to cme back. Emperors card of domination so person who committed murders was in control,East and West east was 2 shallow graves beside eachother, check business and business associates , construction sites and / or something under construction.Travel had stopped did this mean end of their short lives ??They are not found alive and that is where your feeling of sorrow came up, again November is Josephs birthday and month their bodies are located. When you came up on east and west and how they were divided , going by news reports there were 2 shallow graves close to eachother one to east and other to west. As for your seeing a white elephant in the room, due to some kind of falsity about something whether his brother and mother knew about who he owed money and was in big trouble or what is about to come out time will tell. you are spot on Empathy. I look forward if you can connect with Summer as others have too.

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  24. You are sopt on empathy try connect with summer please.

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  25. Very good read,thanks. Me thinks the pyramid is the landfill on the other side of interstate 15. It is a huge pyramid, the color of sand.

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  26. i just wanted to add something that might explain you getting the three deaths.when the graves were discovered,there were three graves.one with joseph&summer the other with gianni & joe jr.,and one that was empty.i always felt that the last call to chase merrit was to lure him to his death too.people started taking money from josephs acct on 2-8-10,before anyone knew they were gone.very strange.jan

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  27. I had a dream about this case a couple days ago. Joseph McStay was in a court room, and was testifying against somebody, and a sheet of paper had "CHASE MERRITT" printed on it. Maybe a prophetic dream telling me that justice will be served? My second dream about the McStays, the first one was their vehicle driving at night, and then cut off at the Bonsall bridge by headlights (one of those dreams where I just KNEW what it was about). These dreams really prove how accurate the readings are, as the reading does point to Chase as well as Dan and Mike.

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